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Post by ONTARIO on Sun Mar 11, 2018 1:33 pm

What the......?

https://www.primalkitchen.com/collections/dressing-and-marinade/products/vegan-ranch-dressing

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Post by Narrowminded on Sun Mar 11, 2018 2:07 pm

Looks like he’s trying to appeal to a larger audience. Maybe maximize his retirement income.

There are paleo items that do cross over to vegan, but won’t appeal to vegans if they say paleo, so change the label and get others to buy.
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Post by sharperhawk on Sun Mar 11, 2018 3:38 pm

It's all marketing. Mark's products are making it onto store shelves. People see a bottle of dressing and are interested. Some percentage of these people will be vegetarian or vegan, and so a few words will get them past that particular barrier. It's kind of like putting a gluten-free label on products that never had anything to do with gluten. Most salad dressings are going to be made out of plant ingredients, so why not make it official and have a chance with the veg* demographic?
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Post by ONTARIO on Sun Mar 11, 2018 6:01 pm

I get why he's doing it from a financial and marketing perspective. But to me he's sort of selling out, IMO. I have a hard time supporting unprincipled people - especially someone whose entire brand philosophy has been that the consumption of animal protein and fat is the best practice. I can imagine he'll receive considerable flack.


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Post by Rig D on Mon Mar 12, 2018 7:46 am

Sisson has his eye on the prize: the almighty $.
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Post by Lovebird on Thu Mar 15, 2018 2:33 am

It's all about the money...



And if you think you can turn to the MDA blog for education... be careful

https://www.marksdailyapple.com/is-the-autoimmune-protocol-right-for-you/

"Wait. Damnit. Chocolate is a legume, and legumes are out. No chocolate either."

Rolling Eyes No it is not. Cacao is a seed. Like coffee. Despite it also being 'beans'. Chocolate is made with cacao.

And this:

"Like I said, this isn’t easy. After eliminating all the potentially allergenic foods, you’re left with the basics:

   Meat, fish, and poultry.
   Fruits and vegetables, except for the nightshades.
   Coconut.
   Fruit oils (avocado, olive, coconut, palm) and animal fats.
   Herbs.
   Bone broth (or gelatin/collagen).
   Tea.
   Vinegar.

You’re removing foods with the potential to irritate the gut and increase inflammation. You’re focusing on “safe” foods that allow the gut to heal (and foods that actively increase gut health)."

Guess what, we're back at (very) strict paleo. Robb Wolf FTW.

Like LoonieJ mentioned in the other thread (Primal Movement Dying?): "Paleo is a philosophy, while Primal is a brand".  Neutral
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Post by Rig D on Thu Mar 15, 2018 9:36 am

^ I started to read that MDA blog post, but the first sentence put the ki-bosh on it.
If you think going Primal is restrictive, the autoimmune protocol is downright draconian.
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Nah, no interest in trying something draconian when I don't have any real food issues that I'm aware of.
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Post by RedComet on Thu Mar 15, 2018 12:36 pm

I love MDA. I even enjoy a lot of Mark's products. Discovering that blog changed my life.

The dude sold out, unfortunately. It's been a gradual thing, but he went from offering great content and some nice products to half-assing the content and shilling the products extra hard. I'm not even mad in retrospect. Who could blame him? Did anyone expect him to keep running a super helpful blog into his twilight years when he could just cash in on the brand he built instead? I'm only disappointed in myself because I was naive and didn't see it coming.
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Post by ONTARIO on Thu Mar 15, 2018 4:37 pm

RedComet wrote: I'm only disappointed in myself because I was naive and didn't see it coming.

^^^ This! I am also disappointed. I really, really loved and appreciated Mark Sisson. I feel sort of duped.

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Post by Narrowminded on Thu Mar 15, 2018 6:02 pm

Unfortunately Mark is not alone in this type of scenario. There are many in the health community that once they get a following, suddenly they have supplements etc and are continuously start hawking their wears. It’s sad, but seems to be the way of the world.

Then their supplement/ pro powder etc are priced way beyond what most can afford. Is the quality that much better? Who knows.
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Post by Meant2Move on Thu Mar 15, 2018 7:14 pm

Totally agree with what you are saying here. Blatant commercialism and chasing profits.


although I do like his avocado mayo...
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Post by ONTARIO on Thu Mar 15, 2018 8:00 pm

True, true, everyone!  

I remember when Body For Life started and the only thing Bill Phillips sold was his book. But those were early internet days so the book was a must have. And then within 5 years he started selling protein shakes and supplements. And then before you knew it he had his EAS company and everything was about buying his products.

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Post by Lovebird on Fri Mar 16, 2018 1:10 am

Rig D wrote:^ I started to read that MDA blog post, but the first sentence put the ki-bosh on it.
If you think going Primal is restrictive, the autoimmune protocol is downright draconian.
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Nah, no interest in trying something draconian when I don't have any real food issues that I'm aware of.

The devil is in the details... like with W30/keto etc. When you see the list I quoted it seems reasonable, however plenty of spices are out, being seeds/nightshades. I mean it's one thing to skip coffee/chocolate/tomatoes etc. for 30 to 60 days, but no mustard/hot sauce/paprika and the like either? Shocked At least it's not low carb as well, which means sweet potatoes and such are allowed.

It's a good thing that for most simply going paleo/primal is good enough. Some sort of reset to get back into the habit is great too.
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Post by Lovebird on Tue May 15, 2018 3:11 am

Any of you followed Casandra's success story at MDA? https://www.marksdailyapple.com/food-no-longer-runs-my-life/

About 50 replies were removed since yesterday. Shocked Granted, several of them were uncalled for, stating that she looks unhealthy/too skinny/focusses too much on weight (BMI is 20 (5'4'' 118)) which obviously is a personal opinion; but they also removed several more supportive ones and her replies too.

Yes, I felt sorry for the young woman who worked hard to accomplish her goal and was proud to share her story, she deserved better than that. It's not like there weren't other stories similar to hers (male as well as female). However removing it all feels wrong too...
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Post by Rig D on Tue May 15, 2018 7:46 am

There was one guy in the Success Stories some time back that seriously looked like warmed over death. But there are some really inspiring stories also. My son Trip had one back in 2013 that was what I consider to be a classic success story, although it does not include massive weight loss. Here's the link:
Trip's MDA Success Story
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Post by ONTARIO on Tue May 15, 2018 4:45 pm

I wonder why the comments were moderated unless they were really bad. I haven't been to MDA near as often as I used to go when they had the forum. I used to read the blog every single day. Now I am lucky to get over there once a week.

Anyway, I think this woman in the success story looks great. I don't think she's too skinny at all. From what she said in her story and the look of her picture she seems to be of some asian descent. Typically, that culture has people of smaller stature and that is exactly what it looks like with this woman. She look healthy to me.

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Post by ekba on Tue May 15, 2018 11:27 pm

"Has Mark Sisson gone off the deep end?"

Answer: "Keto Donuts"
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Post by Lovebird on Wed May 16, 2018 1:00 am

Some of them (often voiced as concern) were not very nice. However others were simply inquiring about quantities etc or making similar statements to yours.

I think they were removed as they seemed to upset the OP. Don't think that ever happened before.
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Post by Lovebird on Wed May 16, 2018 1:11 am

ekba wrote:"Has Mark Sisson gone off the deep end?"

Answer: "Keto Donuts"

SWYPO...
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Post by ekba on Wed May 16, 2018 1:16 am

Lovebird wrote:
ekba wrote:"Has Mark Sisson gone off the deep end?"

Answer: "Keto Donuts"

SWYPO...

Indeed.
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Post by sharperhawk on Wed May 16, 2018 1:29 am

Based on observational research, Asians have a lower BMI starting point for overweight — 23 (vs. 25).

However, the woman's typical food intake does seem pretty low. She may or may not be OK, but I have seen posts on paleo forums from people who report a weight that is very low for their height, and they are looking to lose weight and add more food restrictions.
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Post by Lovebird on Wed May 16, 2018 1:44 am

sharperhawk wrote:
However, the woman's typical food intake does seem pretty low. She may or may not be OK, but I have seen posts on paleo forums from people who report a weight that is very low for their height, and they are looking to lose weight and add more food restrictions.

That's why it bothers me that they removed her comments too... in the story she says she skips dinner every day, but she explained later she snacks on Primal foods instead of sitting down for a meal and gave more detail about her actual meals, which didn't seem to be that limited at all.

I do agree that simply restricting food is not a good way to health and a focus on a certain weight isn't either.

In those last pictures she appears much skinnier than in most of her instagram pics.

Edited to add: https://www.instagram.com/p/BTA6BsCh_sy/?taken-by=casandra.115


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Post by Lovebird on Wed May 16, 2018 1:51 am

Rig D wrote:But there are some really inspiring stories also. My son Trip had one back in 2013 that was what I consider to be a classic success story, although it does not include massive weight loss. Here's the link:
Trip's MDA Success Story

There are many inspiring success stories to be found at the MDA blog. Especially in earlier days.

Trip's story is a very good example btw. Don't think you and your wife ever followed up with one of your own, did you? Aside from forum posts that is.

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Post by Rig D on Wed May 16, 2018 5:38 am

LB: Nope, we never did a success story for MDA.
Trip has moved away from the longer triathlon type events. He is back to doing more sprint type work and no more than 10K races, primarily because sprinters typically have a more robust looking bod than distance types. He has added significant muscle mass in the chest/shoulders and is up maybe 20 lbs. My younger son provides long distance coaching and advice on weight lifting to direct his program. He also has let his hair grow out to shoulder length. With his paleo lifestyle and more physically impressive physique, his friends and co-workers now refer to him as Thor, and he dresses the part for costume parties, Halloween etc.
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Post by Meant2Move on Wed May 16, 2018 7:41 pm

How great to hear of success that is maintained and improved upon over the years, Rig!
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